He called the priest sex abuse scandal a homosexual scandal, not a pedophilia scandal. (C'mon)
That's a very common belief among conservative Catholics.
It's a very incorrect, nonfactual, and ignorant "belief." Homosexuality is someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex. Pedophilia is someone who is sexually attracted to children. Not teenagers. CHILDREN. Little people who have not yet gone through puberty. Some pedophiles are attracted to children of the same sex, however just as many are not as are. This is merely coincidence.
Some of the ignorance stems from the fact that May-December relationships are far more common in the homosexual community. While it's taboo in today's culture to admit sexual attraction to, say, a 15-year-old, most 15-year-olds are (physically) sexually mature, and it's not unnatural (it really is only in the past couple of centuries that this is considered "wrong"). High school being the minefield it is, many young homosexuals turn to older peers (sometimes who end up being partners, but not always), as they find more acceptance with an older peer group than they do with people their own age. However, this is not pedophilia.
Now, regardless on my personal feelings on homosexuality splintering from the Church's, it bothers me that many people don't seem to understand this issue. It's not about homosexuality, or about priests getting married. Priests don't rape children because they aren't "allowed" to have sex with anyone else; on the contrary, pedophiles are drawn to the priesthood for two reasons:
1. They know that what they are feeling sexually is wrong, and they think the priesthood will save them from it (this is the optimistic viewpoint); or
2. They know they will have easy, unfettered access to children (this is the skeptical - and, sadly, more accurate - viewpoint).
I know you know all of this already ... I just felt your comment was a good place to speak to this issue.
I've been permanently damaged by my former CPS-worker mother ...
Here in New Zealand the priests who have had sex scandals have all been with teenage boys (post-puberty). There was one that wasn't that I can think off the top of my head and that was with an adult woman.
As far as I know in America, the majority of the scandals were also with teenage boys or young men (17-19), rather than with pre-puberty children.
I believe that every good Catholic should see "Deliver us From Evil" It's a wonderful documentary about the sex abuse scandal.
"1. They know that what they are feeling sexually is wrong, and they think the priesthood will save them from it (this is the optimistic viewpoint); or
2. They know they will have easy, unfettered access to children (this is the skeptical - and, sadly, more accurate - viewpoint)."
Your reason #2 is the more commonly understood reason for this. Pedophiles typically find places where they can be alone (and trusted) with children. This puts many, otherwise good, organizations at risk for unknowingly harboring these types. Any kind of religious group, church, synagogue, mosque, scouting groups, other youth groups, etc. are all at risk. It doesn't mean, of course, that these groups create/cause pedophilia but rather pedophiles have unfortunately found safety there. Hopefully with the more we learn about these deviants we will become more proactive and put the proper safeguards in place so we can protect our children.
"That's a very common belief among conservative Catholics."
Really? I hadn't heard that. Do you have any sources I could look at where the church denies that this scandal is about pedophilia?
I'm trying to remember specifically where I've seen it. I remember it coming up in conservative corners of the Catholic blogosphere. People, including one Vatican rep, are careful to refer to the issue as a ephebophilia
problem, where ephebophilia is defined as "a homosexual attraction to adolescent males." (psst: that's not what it means.)http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/28/sex-abuse-religion-vaticanEdited at 2010-04-08 01:14 am (UTC)
Well, to be fair, Dogma is hardly a shining example of the face Catholicism wants to present (though don't jump down my throat; it's incredibly funny), and South Park really is just pretty raunchy. I dunno, the prejudice I've experienced has never come from anyone who's mentioned the Catholic League; it's generally come from people who tell me I worship Mary and the Pope and because I believe in Purgatory - which is nonbiblical - I am going to hell. I'd be more interested to know who, other than fairly conservative Catholics (and not the kind of people you're talking about, I think, because they've already got their mind's set...but I've had a "nondenominational" bible study fall apart pretty recently because I wouldn't hop ships, so I'm a little bitter anyway) would read and therefore pay attention to the Catholic League. If it's only conservatives who are looking to bolster viewpoints they already have, why worry? They'll agree anyway.
Like Kathy Griffin once said apparently the Catholic League is just this one guy with a computer, lol. And I dont even like Kathy Griffin much(not because of her offensiveness, just cus she drones on and on about celebrity stuff for her routine and I find that boring). But yeah sometimes I feel the Catholic League just goes out of its way to find something and go against it. Yeah they have some legitimate beefs, but cmon they go out and look for stuff to fight against it seems.
That being said its not something "official." It holds no canonical status. Its basically a non profit group formed to defend against anti-catholic sentiments in the US. Thats all fine and good. But everytime u see Donohue on tv he is always yelling. And I find it hypocritical that they sometimes ally themselves with known protestants that are of an anti-catholic nature to gang up on a common enemy. The whole reason for the group is to defend against anti-catholic sentiment!
Yes, I can see how it can turn people off when you get people yelling on tv all the time. I think the group is ok, so long as they dont go yelling at every little thing and are over sensitive to EVERYTHING out there.
How would people get a negative opinion of Catholics and the Church from just one [or a few] people? Come on, they'd have to do their research and make sure they're doing it with legitimate sources.
I'm tired of people thinking these silly things about us just because they didn't do their research nor their homework. They just read what non-Catholics say and then believe that tripe. Or worse, listen to ex-Catholics that have a bone to pick clean.
I know Jesus said his teachings would cause division, but I'd appreciate it if the division was well-researched first.
Well, Donahue has a point about the sex scandal. From Catholic.com
While there have been priests who were pedophiles, the overwhelming majority of cases involved a disorder called ephebophilia, a term that refers to sexual attraction to minors who have arrived at puberty (i.e., teenagers). But we shouldn't give a false emphasis to the clinical term ephebophilia, because it masks the real nature of what is occurring: priestly homosexual activity with under-aged males.
My husband and I own a copy of Dogma (although, admittedly, we were Protestant when we bought it). However, despite its hilarious moments, it's filled with misrepresentations and outright lies about the Catholic Church, so I can see why Donahue is against it.
I don't mind South Park's anti-Catholic sentiments quite so much, because they're equal-opportunity mockers -- they've gone after EVERY religion, not just Christianity or Catholicism (I love that Scientology episode)!
Donahue is a very vehement individual, but I think he means well. And I think he's right about some of the anti-Catholic sentiment in the U.S.
Anyone who has seen an interview with Kevin Smith knows that he himself is Catholic. He grew up Catholic. His main point in the movie is that everyone (every religion... and he uses Catholicism because that is the one he is most familiar with) should get off their high horse and respect/love their neighbors.
Kevin Smith may have been raised a Catholic, but he's not a practicing Catholic. For all intents and purposes, he's left the Church. Regardless of the "point" of Dogma (and I would disagree with your interpretation of that point, it's still filled with misrepresentations and outright lies about the Catholic Church. That doesn't seem like "loving your neighbor" to me, if you're insulting millions of people by perpetuating myths and lies about their religion. Kind of negates his point, doesn't it?
2008-02-04 08:53 am (UTC)
1) what is "The Third Hour foundation", based in NY?
failed 2 find any info about them
2) failed 2 identify "The Desert Fathers" edition, english tranlation with preface by abbat Henri Bremond, published before 1951 - nothing similiar in Congress Library
i don't think the people on the catholic league are reliable...it seems like they are pre vatican 2 catholics or should i say protestants in sheep's clothing?...i think they are probably not true catholics if you want to get right down to it...i think they are the older people who were against the changes in the catholic church...the ones who say the last 4 popes were invalid...i can't remember the terminology used to describe them...but they aren't true catholics...they are in schism...so that website and others are just a way to make money critizing the catholic church...claiming they need money to criticize the church.
i think they are the ones who insist that if mass is not in latin that the mass is invalid. their complaints are designed to turn true catholics and those ignorant of the church away from teh true catholic church. its their attempt to build a parallel church...which is not acceptable in my book...they are deceivers.
Has anyone answered your question about the catholic league and it's affiliation with the church? The answer is no, it is not affiliated with the church. They are a self appointed organization.
To answer the question, no, the Catholic League is not affiliated with the Church. It is like any other civil rights organization; it defends against prejudice.
Some of us might not agree with Bill Donahue, but we need more strong voices to stand up for the Church. We can't afford to be wimps in the face of prejudice; we must counter back with charity and truth.
Nobody should be prejudice against Catholics. We
are an awesome group of people. I count myself
among the most devout and Jebus is my lord.
P.S. If you whisper a wish into my butt hole, Jebus
will grant it.